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Gizmo
01-04-2007, 08:52 AM
Hi all,

I have this P J Mene sculpture. I usually collect small bronzes but this one was on ebay and seemed very inexpensive. It was covered in what appeared to be boot blacking (!!) and was very dull on the surface. However after hours of careful cleaning it has come up pretty well. It is about 13 1/2 - 3/4 ins high.Any idea of value? Do I need to insure over our house contnents insurance value which is anything over 2000 to be insured separately........

Thanks,

Gizmo

fritchie
01-04-2007, 06:27 PM
I'm afraid I can't guess even a range of value, but another question - is that a foundry mark of some sort at the base in the right-hand image? If so, what does it say?

Gizmo
01-05-2007, 06:42 AM
No there is no foundry mark but from what I can gather most older versions do not have them. Susse cast quite a lot but they tended to do much lighter patinas and the tails etc. are not so detailed.

Last night I downloaded quite a few dealers images of their Accolades. The prices were horrifically high onlytwo looked comparable with this one so I will have to get mine checked out professionally. The thumbnails don't really show the detail but here are the heads and also a dealer's one which to me looks comparable and has a huge price tag which is obviously a lot more than one would get a auction I guess.

Jo

fritchie
01-05-2007, 06:01 PM
I agree that the proper route at this point is a professional evaluation. I'm sorry we haven't been able to help more, but if you are willing to share the eventual outcome of your experiences, I'm sure others will be helped.

Gizmo
01-06-2007, 09:04 AM
Hi,

Thank you for your replies. The Mene I have is nothing like thepicture and I agree about the cheap fakes as I have often seen them on ebay. This one struck me as entirely different. I magnified the photos ( see the head shot again) and compared them to dealers pics. I did buy this at an ebay live auction in the US and I did pay rather more than $200!!! but below what I would have to declare for insurance as a separate item.

Anyway I rang Sotheby's as I have sold an ebay bronze buy through them before ( details below ) and they have a bronze expert living only 20 miles away so I took it across this morning.

He has confirmed it as a lifetime or early posthumous casting auction value 8- 10.000 and retail 16-20.000! He says it is superior to the Susse Castings. I asked about foundry marks and he said models cast at that time didn't have them but it bore the hallmarks of a Mene/ Cain own casting!

I did buy a bronze a few years ago ( below ) also from the US on ebay but not a live auction. It cost me 495 ( About $1100 ) and I sold it at Sothebys this year. It went for 5800 not including BP - this is why I took a flyer at the Mene. I had no idea what the Peyrol lion was worth just liked the look of it. I only sent the pic to Sotheby's to see if they knew anything about it. I could not afford NOT to sell it!

I do buy small bronzes from ebay and some are foundry marked like Susse Freres ( not repro foundry marks ) and I think perhaps I will have to get them valued properly now. I would like to keep the Mene as I doubt I could get another bargain like this one and it is beautiful. If you would like me to send pics to you as attachments it would be perhaps easier to see the chiselling etc. which is why I took the risk and went for it.Thumbnails are not very clear. It is darker than my photos show pretty much the same as the dealer bronze. On the head shot you can see maybe the blacking altho' there was more on the body. I have the original ebay shot in the computer ( of which the head shot was one ). Have put it below.I have sharpened the image slightly to what it was on ebay.

Jo

PS I do keep a watch list on ebay for small aminalier bronzes but try not to look except for every few months as I would be broke otherwise and I have to admit that I passed the Mene by for a couple of days as you get so used to seeing awful ones. I guess that it what happened to others. I kick myself for not having a go at another Mene that was in the same auction now. It looked good and went very reasonably too.

Landseer
01-06-2007, 04:06 PM
I did buy this at an ebay live auction in the US and I did pay rather more than $200!!! but below what I would have to declare for insurance as a separate item.Ok then you did not give us the COMPLETE important information, the details of which had I known before my reply would have provided a different reply.

You did not say you bought this at one of the LIVE auctions, only that you got it on Ebay at a low price, thus since this is probably one of Mene's most knocked off works there is and there are several there now for sale, I thought you bought one of THOSE since you said "low price" and to me, "low price" for a bronze is $300

Live auctions are DIFFERENT because for the most part they are professionally operated by REAL auction houses like Sotheby's staffed by experts in their fields who also do apprasals and handle artworks worth millions, live auctions on Ebay also differ because few people on Ebay seem to bid on them.

Why? because you have to sign up for each auction like a new client, you are also going to pay a buyer's premium of usually 20% on top of your bid, plus the biggest hassle is none of these outfits seem to ship- they all say buyers must arrange pickup, crating and shipping by a third party outfit.

So when you factor all that in, it leaves most people on Ebay out of the loop except die-hard collectors and dealers, the Joe and Jane Doe on Ebay would buy the $250 "Mene" horse that is displayed alongside the one you bought for upwards of 2000 since all they want is something pretty for the dining room table.

I have bid and won several live auctions in Ebay, being the only Ebay bidder every time, this includes buying back one of my antique carved stone keystones for only $300 because no one knew what it was and it was in a poor auction for this kind of piece, it's worth more like $1500, I also bought another antique keystone on Ebay from a guy who didn't know the value as he was a business re-selling it for an old man- I got it for $76 when the only other bidder conked out at $75, it's worth closer to $900-$1200
I also bought another original piece- of Louis Sullivan style 1936 terra cotta from a demolished school for $500, these pieces typically go for $850-$1200 on every other antique and salvage outfit I've seen who handles these same pieces.

So there are bargains to be had on Ebay but they are few and far between and you need to know your piece and hope others DONT. Occasionally people screw up and sell grandma's "junk" from her attic not knowing that little etching she stuck up there that she bought at a garage sale for $2 is worth $10,000, but realistically this rarely ever happens, most people know today to check values, ask, look at Ebay etc.

On the other side of things are the ones who swear they have a rare valuable piece and figure it's worth a lot because they have never seen one of these or it's OLD, and they never sell it on Ebay for the price they post.

There's a guy now who has been trying for over a YEAR to sell off some iron casts purportedly off a building in Philly but he is trying to sell TEN of them as a lot for almost $3,000
Who the heck wants TEN of those??? all those relisting fees he spent over the last year he could have sold them individually and been done with them.

Yes, Sotheby's probably has a good track record, but even the experts make mistakes, I would still get a second opinion as the lack of a mark or name of any kind, especially on a Mene design is very odd to me, it says "secretive, not above board" to me.
I Own a large "Mene" carriage horse in bronze, but it IS a reproduction on a marble base and has the Patima foundry stamp as well as Mene signature, but it's an older modern cast circa 1970 I bought on Ebay from an antique store in the UK. I seem to remember paying $375 for it, I since stripped the gold and black hightlight paint off. This weighs close to 40 pounds so it's pretty substantial;

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/Randall2/horse.jpg

I bought it as I like the piece, with no fantasy it's some valuable antique, I got it for about $375 that's probably about what it's worth, maybe twice that, but not $10,000
It is signed "Mene" but I have never found ANY reference to Mene having ever made such a design, and this horse does not appear in any images of his works I've seen yet, so who knows! A fake Mene?

fritchie
01-06-2007, 05:57 PM
Gizmo, Many thanks for adding this Sotheby's assessment, and congratulations on making such an apparently good buy. The work does look excellent in the pictures, but as Landseer says, pictures can only go so far. That's why sculpture (even contemporary works, to many of our members' dismay) rarely sell well through Internet sites.

Gizmo
01-06-2007, 06:17 PM
Hi again,

Sorry I did not make myself clearer but I was hoping someone could tell from the pics although mine were obvously just amateur kitchen table type!. It is the only live auction that I have bid at and they do put you in touch with packers and shippers so it was all very easy.It is of course signed P J Mene but that doesn't mean anything!!

There are three high quality Accolades for sale from dealers in the UK at the moment. Two are not foundry marked and the 3rd is a Susse Casting and definitely less detailed.

The Sotheby's expert is a bronze specialist and travels all over the world to value bronzes and he has given me a written valuation for my insurers. I just felt a little guilty as I don't want to sell. They valued the Peyrol from my amateur photo ( as long as they can magnify it they have a fair idea apparently which is how I learned to do it on the Mene! ). Actually the Peyrol went over estimate.


I have decided to join either artnet or artprice. I will see what info I can get and post it.I should be able to find images of this model that have gone through auction houses and see also if they are marked. The Sotheby's chap told me that a large version went through recently at 21,800 hammer price no foundry marks only PJ Mene. Apparently the larger model is not so detailed.

I do not recognise your model either.

The lighter brown one is the Susse casting BTW you can see that there is not the surface detail and the tail detail is not so fine although I like it a lot it was the one that gave me the clue that maybe I had a bit of a bargain.

I have had quite a bit of luck selling my bronzes from the net but they are on a specialist dog site.One is featured below and that has sold well to the US. In fact I can only make one more.I had a bit of fun with different patinas but this is my favourite!

Jo



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Landseer
01-07-2007, 02:03 PM
Hi again,

Sorry I did not make myself clearer but I was hoping someone could tell from the pics although mine were obvously just amateur kitchen table type!. It is the only live auction that I have bid at and they do put you in touch with packers and shippers so it was all very easy.It is of course signed P J Mene but that doesn't mean anything!!
Ok,no problem, it's just that too, you said "I have this PJ Mene.." but you didn't mention it was SIGNED, you did say it had no foundry marks so it was assumed it had nothing on it but that you recognized it as a Mene design by photos.

Yes, they do list third party pack/crate and ship firms, but live auction houses themselves generally do not do anything more and if your item is not removed within a certain number of days from their warehouse they charge you a daily storage fee- around $10 a day.

I bought a cast-iron eagle at live Ebay auction last week, they had no idea what it was from, I DO- it came off an old Heine high pressure commercial steam boiler and was a lamp fixture, I have one on my wall in fact with a brass gage. They were produced between 1890 and 1930 and have a 31" wingspan. They were also included on boilers used on large ships and powerplants back then.
My little Haine displayhas this eagle lamp from 1922, a Heine steam gage, cast-iron with a heavy solid bronze rim and solid etched mirror polished brass dial, this is 15" across and weighs close to 40#. It is very large because these were up high There's also a solid bronze builder's plate which I just picked up recently. These items were made to be excellent quality for big clients who expected quality materials and didn't mind paying twice the catalogue price for the gage with the fancy brass rim over the competitor's standard all cast iron versions.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/Randall2/heine-boiler-eagle1922-gage-1.jpg

The one I bid on last week;
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/Randall2/3093_1_lg.jpg

I got it for $300 when the floor bidder petered out at $250, I have seen another at a salvage place right now for $650, the one I have was $750 a few years ago at an antique store. So there's case where the live house had no clue what this was off or that it's a LAMP fixture which makes it more valuable.
People will bid thousands on a thin sheet copper weather vane but pass up something like this eagle, it weighs 60#.

I asked for estimates from THREE of the suggested pack/ship firms, one amazingly quoted me over $338 and that was with the 20% discount the live house said this firm offered their clients!

Craters & Freighters Service Quote
Quote Date : Friday, December 29, 2006 1:52 PM
Total Quote for Service : $338.86 We will match any Competitor's Price for the Same Services.

The UPS store however quoted me $47.87 for packing, plus the shipping of $46.83 for under 70#- I suggested it was 60#

The third firm never replied, so which do you think I went with?
It pays to shop around for these services because even a simple standard live auction service like pack and ship can vary BIG in price as you can see


There are three high quality Accolades for sale from dealers in the UK at the moment. Two are not foundry marked and the 3rd is a Susse Casting and definitely less detailed. Well I wouldn't necessarily hold a lot of weight about the tail detailing, remember, these are lost wax casts made in molds, so if the cast was made from a worn-out mold as one of the last before replacing the mold, the details would be less, more defects, more possibly rushed cleanup on the wax.
The cast in particular could have come out with a defect they had to fix and did it rushed.


The Sotheby's expert is a bronze specialist and travels all over the world to value bronzes and he has given me a written valuation for my insurers. I just felt a little guilty as I don't want to sell. .

Well if the bronze had a marble base, the best most accurate way to determine more is removing the felt from the base and the marble from the bronze to examine the inside, one can easily tell from the previously sealed up inside whether the bronze is really old, or new and how it was cast, there could even be more inside, possibly even a paper, pencil marks or label inserted like a "time capsule". If it's really old the mounts inside that hold the marble on may have a lot of rust, they would have used square nuts, a new repro might have chrome plated phillips head or torx screws, epoxy, bondo or any number of obviously modern parts inside, or evidence it was cast in a DIE.
The marble may even be found to be cold cast marble RESIN, you wouldn't be able to tell just looking at the edge, but inside you could.


As far as value goes, I'm not sure I quite understand why you need to go confirm it etc if you don't plan to SELL it, if you are not going to sell it then it doesn't really make any practical difference for you if it's a $200 reproduction or a $20,000 real gem does it?

I do not recognise your model either. This could be a resized version, the same foundry in Thailand has a lifesized version, so the original design IF it was a real Mene could have been a lifesized monument or a tiny tabletop item, mine is almost certainly a resized version but I don't know if it's been resized up or resized down

I replaced the photo above with a new one, you might have to reload to see the new version of the horse. It has a nice reddish brown patina and had been in storage a number of years in the UK. I removed the tacky black and gold painted highlights.

I have a Barye walking lion bronze, this was the best repros I have found and it was labelled as a repro so I had no expectations it was some antique, I got it on Ebay for about $80. It's by far the most detailed copy around, very good cast, however, the patina it had was HORRIBLE,
here is a before link;

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/Randall2/baryelionwalking.jpg

AFTER I stripped the patina to bare metal and started over!

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/Randall2/lion2.jpg

Not only is the patina much better, but you can see the detail in the model, even the lower fangs show whereas most dont on the repros.
Barye also did a walking tiger that was excellent, I'd buy one of those but I hear the original tiger bronzes are very rare, so if anyone made repros they likely would not be taken directly off an original cast but would be replicated from photos and not be as good.



I have made bronze dogs, here is one from 1993 that I bought back on Ebay from a client who bought this in 1993 from me but lost his job and needed cash, so it was nice o bring it home. http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/Randall2/sheepdog.jpg

I have had quite a bit of luck selling my bronzes from the net but they are on a specialist dog site.One is featured below and that has sold well to the US. In fact I can only make one more.I had a bit of fun with different patinas but this is my favourite! That is nice Jo, Whippets and Greyhounds are popular, always have been

Gizmo
01-07-2007, 05:53 PM
NIce Dog!!!!

I have no lessons in sculpting and sadly don't get anytime at present to pursue it although I would like to.

The reason I needed the valuation was for insurance purposes as in my first posting. Anythng over the value of 2000 I have to have a valuation done and it must be itemised separately from normal house contents.

I didn't dream the Peyrol was that value and I didn't have it insured but this time I knew better once I realised the quality of the bronze.

The eagles are really interesting and I agree sometimes items with more intrinsic value go for less than they should when compared to to others.

I still don't recognise your horse but it is a nice piece indeed.

I know some of the Barye pieces and I have a couple of verysmall ones cast by Barbedienne. One is gilded bronze and the gilding is pretty good still. I remounted it.

Here is one of my more typical ebay bronze buys this one is about 6 ins and signed by Gaston D'Illiers.( ther horse in the middle ) The seller got the signature wrong in the ad and also a tiny wee bronze horse signed Dargaud. The detail is amazing. Here also is the tiny Barye about 2 ins high.

Now you see why I don't look at ebay too often!!!

Jo

Landseer
01-07-2007, 07:36 PM
NIce Dog!!!!

I have no lessons in sculpting and sadly don't get anytime at present to pursue it although I would like to.Thank you Jo,
The dogs I did back then in several breeds were made in plasticene 6-8" tall, all standing and plaster piece molds made of them, rubber block molds made of the plaster piece molds, and then I cast my waxes in plaster/sand waste molds cast in those rubber molds. The waxes were cast in one piece with no attachments of any kind.
Park's bronze in Oregon did the castings for me, I typically specified they be completely SOLID and they never had any failures, not even with the 24# German Shepherd cast.


The eagles are really interesting and I agree sometimes items with more intrinsic value go for less than they should when compared to to others.I have a fondness for them for sentimental reasons more than anything, after all there's NO shortage of a myriad of Eagle sculptures, carvings, castings and bronzes out there, every week Ebay lists hundreds of them- plaques, flag pole toppers, statues, aluminum casts, bronzes, cast iron etc but I never buy any of the others. I have two of these, one has a base with the year date on it, one doesn't, so I'll be looking for one that HAS a base with it. These were no doubt made by the thousands and I have no doubt most survived boiler replacements just because the Eagle itself is the national symbol so it would be hard to imagine one of these tossed in the scrap pile for a penny a pound.
As those old coal burning converted to oil usually- boilers are replaced with modern efficient ones, they tear out the old ones, so I have no doubt a progression of these will appear on the market for sale over time.
The Navy also used these boilers, I've seen photos of installations at the Brooklyn Navy Yard and on ships, as well as the Anheuser-Busch brewery which proudly displayed dozens of these boilers in a huge steam plant- the facades featured the company name across the doors on the boilers in raised letters.

Here's a pic from the boiler company's "brag" book showing one of their smaller installs at the Brooklyn Navy yard 1898 it shows how the Eagles were used and the different base. This was made back in the says when machinery was made in AMERICA- ST Louis Missouri, and they took pride not only in making the machines beautiful and functional, but just plain nice to look at and heavy quality materials. The facades of these were all solid heavy walled cast iron, I wouldn't mind acquiring a whole facade off one doors and all. The wingspan is 31" so that should set the scale of the rest in this photo;

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/Randall2/heine_eagle.jpg


Here is one of my more typical ebay bronze buys this one is about 6 ins and signed by Gaston D'Illiers.( ther horse in the middle ) The seller got the signature wrong in the ad and also a tiny wee bronze horse signed Dargaud. The detail is amazing. Here also is the tiny Barye about 2 ins high.
These are very nice Jo!
You might want to laugh at this bronze said to have been done in Mene's STYLE, the surface details look more like someone scratched lines on with a toothpick to simulate fur, "buy now 68.00" Mene would be insulted;

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stunning-bronze-sculpture-ARAB-HORSE-Mene-style_W0QQitemZ220067710649QQihZ012QQcategoryZ553Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Here's one like yours, looks to be very good casting, but they want $3400 for it, if you notice the photo of the bottom, apparantly it once had a marble base, you can also see two square nuts that almost certainly were countersunk in the marble. My guess is someone dropped it and the marble shattered, I would go further and guess that if it was dropped hard enough to break the base it probably has some other damage or bending.
The inside does not appear to me to be very old, I can see what looks like runs- either in the wax or the patina, and the support tabs inside the base look too shiney. I would guess with all these together, this is a repro but one of the better quality ones maybe from the 1960's and after. The patina tells me nothing because a bronze can easily be re-patinated at any time, and some are better than others, the inside of the base tells me a lot and the square nuts also suggest that it's not new- they'd have used hex nuts or the more common style you find at the hardware store.

http://cgi.ebay.com/P-J-MENE-signed-BRONZE-SCULPTURE-LAccolade_W0QQitemZ150023433402QQihZ005QQcategoryZ 1212QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

Gizmo
01-11-2007, 05:03 PM
Hello again,

I have seen that Mene it has been about for some time. I would guess it is a casting done on the States probably as you say around the 1960s. It was about when I bought mine but again it is in a very different league from the one I bought.I really hope another comes up like that again!!

It has the lack of detail and quality that gives it away and also a very peculiar patination.

I have done my sculptures in clay and then cast by the lost wax method. Here is one in bronze and a pair in resin - not very good photo. They are pretty small.

I have a fair collection of cabinet bronzes some better than others. I have an interesting little hare done by Louis Vidal who was a pupil of Barye's. I have found this one menioned as lievre effraye. It fits the name and also the exact size. It is signed Vidal Aveugle ( Vidal the Blind ). Apparently Barye edited all his models. This came from the US again from ebay. I love it and it has a beautiful feel about it.

I'll see if a can dig out a photo of it.

Jo

fritchie
01-11-2007, 06:05 PM
These last two are very nice. Are they Barye also?

Gizmo
01-16-2007, 01:28 PM
No I did them! Very flattered to think you thought they might be Barye- I wish!

I have never been trained and I just don't have time to pursue sculpting at the moment although I would like to! Both these models have been exported and a couple have gone to a gallery in the US and were sold within a few days.

Jo

fritchie
01-16-2007, 05:56 PM
They are very nice! Congratulations.

gatorgirl
04-24-2007, 08:18 AM
Being new to the sculpture market, I had not even heard of Mene. I was asked to sell one of his statues for our church that someone had donated. The base of it reminded me of your lion. I cannot find anything online just like this one, though I've seen many of the greyhounds. It is signed P.J. Mene on the base. Any thoughts? Okay, trying to insert image, having trouble. It's a greyhound looking down at a nest of two birds.

skip77
05-30-2008, 10:21 PM
Greetings all.
I think this is my first post at this forum. I've dabbled in most art forms from a young age. Since 1989, I have focused on miniature, netsuke-like animal sculptures that I mold and cast in pewter. I've toyed several years with the notion of doing something fist-sized as a bronze debut. I've done a fair amount of research and also done lost wax casting method, myself. I have exchanged emails with a number of bronze foundries, mostly on east coast by way of working toward selecting a place to do castings for me.

I have recently purchased a few bronze sculptures to serve as models for work I plan to do myself. I also bought what I like, which is the first rule for collectors.

It seems most in this forum have more experience than me in determining a good investment over a bad one. Of course, the sale price is a big player in worth since any sculpture is worth money when the price is right. The question that is bigger than worth, although worth is attached to it, might be more along the lines - is the bronze vintage or modern?

Obviously, quality bronzes can be gotten from ebay but it can be difficult to discern this from photos on the internet, especially when sellers go out of their way to misrepresent the truth. I will add two links at conclusion of this post: one leading to examples of my pewter castings and the other showing my bronze sculptures, recently purchased.

The bronze hounds by Auguste Cain was my first. I bought it because the piece appeals to me and because it will serve as a decent model for future sculptures that I intend to do. My 2nd bronze purchase, probably the only vintage casting of the 3 that I own, is a single hound by Mene. As most of you know, Mene and Cain were family by marriage and both were contempories of Barye. Interestingly, Barye has a hound sculpture that is nearly identical to the one by Mene. I have studied photos of the two castings very carefully and believe that Mene's piece was done after the original by Barye. Why do I think this? Because Mene's hound appears slightly more muscular and slightly more finely detailed than Barye's model. I have a sense that the French competitors were duking it out, trying to one-up the other? Both hounds by Barye and Mene are exactly the same size and pose, both with the same collar etc. In their lifetimes, Mene and Cain operated their own foundry, which was sold to a new owner when they died. Castings from the original foundry continued a time but not long. The 3rd bronze in my collection is a low quality, modern, Asian copy of Barye (Lion vs Serpent). I bought this last one as a decoration for my desk at work - low value but asthetic appeal makes it perfect for that since it could be easily stolen.

Sorry for the long maiden message. Hello from Delaware!
www.mytowntennis.com/pewter.htm
www.mytowntennis.com/mene.htm

skip77
05-30-2008, 10:37 PM
Gatorgirl,
It's probably too late to help with the Mene sculpture you described now but some photos would make it easier to determine whether the piece is vintage or modern, obviously effecting value.

fritchie
05-31-2008, 05:37 PM
Skip - I really liked your own pewter pieces, apparently from live models. They're (nearly or all) fun! I guess that's part of the gaming tradition. You seem to pick up truth from the model and add a sense of human play.

On the pictures of bronzes, what are those triangular markingas on the sides of the two Cain hounds?

pjlancair
03-30-2011, 12:33 PM
Hi,

I have this P.J. Mene Bronze Deer. I purchased it 10 to 12 years ago. I did some research on it and it seems from everything that I have learned that I could have a interesting Bronze. There is no foundry marks on it, just P.J. Mene. Some of the things I've learned is that the artist will edit his bronze when completely removed from the mold. (lost Wax method) The book I had and don't have anymore said that you could have an "original" if you can see file marks on the bronze. They said the artist would use a file of varing sizes during the editing process. The artist will do this in an effort to add additional detail to his bronze. Now I must say that I've seen this deer on the internet but none of them have the detail this one has. This bronze dose have the file marks on it upon very close inspection. It also has square nuts (the old kind that aren't quite square) holding the bronze on the marble base. The problem I have been having is that nobody seems to be qualified to appraise it. I have fallen on hard times and currently unemployed. I hope that someone from this site might know enough about my bronze to tell me for sure that it is a high end bronze. I will upload some pictures. This is my first time using this site so I'm not sure how many pictures I'm allowed to upload. I just found out that my picture of the complete Deer is to large ;113 KB instead of the 80 KB which is the max. allowable image to upload. So here is one picture showing the Name of the artist and another picture showing the square nuts look at the bottom of the marble.

pjlancair
03-30-2011, 12:58 PM
Everybody here at this sight seem to have some very good insight on P.J. Mene Bronzes. Right now I don't have the money to get it appraised even if I had a good appraiser. Can't upload complete image of the bronze because it has to many KB to upload. So I uploaded just the head. The copies I see on the internet are relatively smooth in comparison very little detail. The antlers on my bronze have a good deal of detail on them, you can see from the picture. Sorry I can't upload the whole image it has 113 KB. Were only allowed 80 KB. This image goes along with the "above images" uploaded a few minutes earlier. I'm looking for some input on this bronze.

ironman
04-01-2011, 09:24 PM
The beast looks like it's ready to croak!
Probably got "mad cow".
Jeff

Primroy
11-15-2011, 11:40 PM
Speaking of cow, would you mine taking a look at this completed auction and telling me what you think about this piece? http://www.ebay.com/itm/190587703572

Is this genuine?

Andrew Werby
11-16-2011, 04:41 PM
A genuine cow? I think not - the "dangly bits" are wrong for that.

A genuine bronze? Probably; the stuff only costs a few bucks a pound.

A genuine Mene? It looks like his style, but these things have been cast and recast over the years so many times that details tend to get resculpted to compensate for wear and tear, so the sculpture slowly changes over time. This would help an expert to authenticate it, though. But the odds of it having been cast during the artist's lifetime are slim; the enduring appeal of these tabletop bronzes has led Asian foundries to produce them in bulk quantities, and they've been at it for a hundred years or so - you do the math...

If you really want a genuine piece of art, buy it directly from a living artist. If you want a crowd-pleaser of dubious provenance, Ebay's the place to overpay for it.

Andrew Werby

Primroy
11-17-2011, 11:44 PM
Thank you very much!!!