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Landseer
04-14-2006, 10:00 PM
I have an inquiry from someone who likes 3 of my long sold architectural antique panels on my web site and wants an estimate on casts to build into the brick wall. As is often the case these inquiries rarely pan out, but it raises some interesting thoughts I thought I'd bring up here.

First, one of the panels is this one pictured below, the original was 36" wide and 30" tall more or less- a pretty good sized piece. The design is fairly simple, though I have never done a face before, this is more of a mask and it's not the entire head so it might present a minor difficulty but I don't see it as being extreme.
The photo is so nicely straight on I can scale off it to mark landmarks on the clay model.

One issue I see is the size, and clay will want to warp or crack, so I might have to use a clay that has a course grog instead of the medium to help on that.

The other issue is price, the lady wants a concrete copy and assumed I have the original to simply mold, the amount of time and materials involved to sculpt this would be more than most people would ever pay for a non custom commission, this isn't like a one-of-a-kind portrait bust of someone's late father!

I would welcome the motivation to make the design and use it in my line, it may or may not ever sell but the one cast - but that's the chance one takes with development of products and so one. OTH if I sold a bunch more over time it would be well worth the initial effort and outlay.

The design frankly doesn't excite me- it's not exactly one I would have chosen off my site and thought YEAH!!! I want to make that one!!

So I figured if the lady wants one and is willing to pay for part of my time on this (I keep the model, all rights and mold of course) then I could do it. I just came up with a "what's it worth to me to do this model" figure of $500 plus the going price I come up with for the cast and shipping.

If I charged a per hour fee like a minimal $15 the cost would l be totally insane- no one would be crazy enough to pay it for something like this.

I doubt she will go for it, but if I'm going to spend all the time it will take to sculpt a model, then it should be one I KNOW will sell many casts of or have other clients demanding like my 3 piece winged dragon panel.

Since I don't know if this would ever sell then I need to make some up front money on it and take the chance other casts will sell, if not then I have at least something for my time plus the cast she would want would be charged at the going price for a cast of this size, crating and shipping- it could run her $1000 when all is said and done there.

Any thoughts on any of this?

Landseer
04-14-2006, 10:11 PM
The other panel the lady liked was this one, it had a convex because it was installed on the rounded corner of a building that was on a corner lot. This was quite heavy since it was much deeper than typical- almost 12" in the center since the back was flat.
The nude cherub boy would be harder for me to do I'm sure, it didn't have a lot of anatomy detail to it though.

HappySculpting
04-14-2006, 10:55 PM
Hi Landseer-

Sounds like quite a project but one that could make you more money in the future off of the duplicates made.

If you've not done a face before, it may be pretty hard to do. Could you do a push mold of one of your faces of a cast that you have on hand. Then you could push clay into and refine and sculpt it to look like the original in the picture.

She might not be happy unless it was the exact copy of the one in the picture; Unless, you tell her ahead of time it will be in that "likeness" but different.

To help prevent warping, allow it to dry really, really slowly but covering it with plastic.

Just a few thoughts anyway,

Tamara

Landseer
04-15-2006, 01:25 AM
Hi Tamara,

Good idea but I can't think of a similar face I could impress for a form to start with. This one is a chubby cheek cherub. Yes, I would specify "likeness" not an exact duplicate, I am pretty good at copying/ replicating/restoring, check out my 3 piece panel- I replicated the left and right pieces from the photo of the original, the center piece was directly molded off the original;

http://www.lostnewyorkcity.com/store/537.html

If you compare the original on the top photo to the latest- bottom photo, you can see I got the copies pretty close.
If you look a bit and compare the two photos side by side you WILL see some minor differences, some of this comes from not having a profile photo to get the depth accurately.
When I get the mold of the now dry left piece and some casts I'll have to paint one set up in the red finish and take a photo from the same angle to compare the replica with the original.

As far as drying, these two pieces I kept in plastic while I worked- the left piece was started almost a year ago and has been kept damp in plastic since. I hollowed out the back in a honeycomb fashion and once done- left it loose in an open plastic bag flat on the table for a week to dry, but it wanted to warp just a bit as well as a small crack in the back even so.
The clay is Georgies warm springs red with medium grog

HappySculpting
04-15-2006, 01:57 AM
Hi Landseer,

I checked out the link and saw how nicely you replicated those panels. Wow! Very good work. I don't think you'll have any problem doing the face after seeing that.

I used to research "architecture" on ebay when I was building my house and saw a lot of your items for sale. When I found you here at the forum, it was fun to make the connection and realize that was your stuff on ebay. :) That architectural tile work is a lot of the style I could have used somewhere outdoors but couldn't figure out where. Oh well, if I ever need a panel I know where to go. :o

-Tamara

grommet
04-15-2006, 08:36 AM
Just some thoughts...
Sometimes it's easier to see what's not right about something that already exists & fix it than to start from scratch... Make a push mold from a thrift store doll & adjust to suit your eye.
... the lady probably won't want it if it isn't cheap & easy
... doing boring commissioned work sucks out your spirit & leaves you empty and used... make sure you have extra(spirit), or are sufficiently broke. :rolleyes:

Landseer
04-16-2006, 05:17 PM
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Landseer
04-16-2006, 05:17 PM
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