CBS News: Sculpture time experiment

[outsider]

CBS News: Sculpture time experiment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2_A38WQeCg

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[Aaron Schroeder]

Chris, That is a nice piece of media. Great performance !!!

Hey, check out a guy named Jon Thurber and a company called Sonic- Dynamics. Those guys are doing interesting stuff with sound waves. I watched a demo video of a device that has 2 speakers mounted on an armiture , one on each side of an axis. Oddly enough the object rotates into the sonic field created infront of the speakers which seems totally backwards. I was informed that a sonic vibration of a specific frequency can be added to the leading surface of any number of objects thus enableing it to pass through atmospheres ( air and water ) with much greater efficiency. Perhaps such a frequency would enable you to travell through time or at least amplify the drama of a performance.

I look forward to the next news segment, Keep up the good work.

[evaldart]

Well, you did it. Right in front of the cameras, the television dude and the couched viewing public. They think you failed, or your contraption failed: but you distracted them with the bells and whistles...and the dust-mask. Indeed you did go somewhere else and the "performance" had nothing to do with it. Most perceivers are so gullible. Your slight of hand and gizmo had them laughing, dazzled...but I know you're the one amused. Its not fair, though, duping them so...taking candy from a baby, the ol' Switcheroo...sending them all out to the Big Game so you can ransack their house while they're gone. It aint sculpture, and "performance art" is anything and nothing. BUT, your actions and labors in assembling this event are indeed 'fine". You are proving things to yourself here that will lead to better and better things...things that eventually will NOT ask for any lookers. Proving that physics is for babies and that Art is for a real warrior. Thumbs-up from ol Evaldart.

I wish I had a laboratory.

[StevenW]

Cool, technically it worked. It did go forward in time,.. just not very far. :)

[marblecutter]

Just imagine how many beers, cigarettes, cars, political campaign ads, flu medicines, were sold to the public as they awaited to be transported spiritually or should I say virtually in time. The objective of the media is to primarily gain prime advertisers who put their money where the public's eye is. There is no better bait than a disappearing act or time travel.
Robert Rauschenberg did performance art for the Broadway audience. I only wish to travel back in the time of John Cage, Merce Cunningham, Andy Warhol, Robert Rauschenberg, Isamu Noguchi, Martha Graham, Jean-Michel Basquiat....Did I mention Bill T Johns, Alvin Ailey, Keith Herring?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfqn4SJY4a8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP59Q3tirEg

[fused]

Back to the drawing board? They didn't interview Chris afterwards...
and by that I mean... what if he did travel off someplace and then
returned back to the same exact time he departed from?

TIME for an update.... from tomorrow.

[marblecutter]

There was a musical composition by John Cage titled 4' 33" . It was four minutes and thirty three seconds of silence. He sat in front of a piano for that length of time as he looked at and turned pages of music without playing a single note.
The music was in the ambient silence.
Performance art is in its own realm. But its the items that they try to sell us that get to me. The art becomes really trivialized as mere diversion while we are subliminally sold undesirable products like beer and cigarettes.

Sculpture Talk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfqn4SJY4a8)

4' 33" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJagb7hL0E)

Silence according to Cage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcHnL7aS64Y&feature=related)

[evaldart]

4 33 was not about silence at all. John Cage was a trickster much like Duchamp. He'll lead you to believe the work is about one thing when actually its secretly about something else altogether. 4 33 was about NOISE...not silence. Cage was demonstrating or featuring the random ear-candy that is always there for us to grow from. All we must do is sit ans listen for a little while...maybe 4 minutes 33 seconds.

[suburbanartists]

Unlike the others here, i'd say don't waste your 4 minutes and 39 seconds of UTube time on Oscar's folly.

[grommet]

My favorite part was 14%. Such a perfect number.:)

[outsider]

Is it art? Is it science? Was it just a performance?

Yes I am a sculptor and yes I love physics. So in the spirit of Leonardo, I invent! One of my quotes is, "if it doesn't work, it's just a sculpture".

Ever since my brother was asked, and refused, to participate in teleportation experiments back in 1966-67, I have had great interest. It most certainly is difficult to believe anything so low tech and by an artist, could be anything but a performance.Take for instance the dust mask. The inlets had been glued shut and an oxygen hose was inserted. Yes, budget restraints kept from having a real oxygen mask.

It was an agent, a gallery owner, that pushed me to do the CBS gig. He had a show of mine comming up. I wasn't ready, hence a mere 14% equation rendered chance of success. Well it didn't appear as anything had happened, but let me just say that 3 out of 5 experiments did have success. For a ton of reasons I can't begin to explain quickly, the unit was stripped of the electronics and sealed up. It sat for 6 years as a sculpture that was on loan to City Halls, parks, and restaurants. This year It was brought back inside, reconfigued, and rebuilt.

see the new ship here....

http://www.youtube.com/v/pl-5MRBJtq4

.

Peace Love and Happiness for all.

[evaldart]

O, The best thing you said was "If it doesn't work, its just a sculpture". Its very important that sculpture (or art at its "finest") does not "work". Function is the killer of Art. It is a distractor, a reducer, a thinner, a lightener, a sterilizer... Your machine/object is busy with the stuff of sculpture. It is poised to become it, was that the Ark? you have done a hell of a job obliderating the decoratives it previously held. Anyhow, your talk of physics as a source for the occurrence of that artwork should be kept to yourself. Physics is not bad, as sciences go, because it at least enjoys flirtaions with bafflement; but it can't be with Art because of its annoying desire for conclusions. You'll note that all these conclusions get replaced by another wrong one soo enough. So get the physics out of it. Time is already yours to do with as you wish...a no brainer. Spend that energy outside of mere "use". I've said it before, Sculpture, real things beget from thresholded intensities that address NOTHING but their event based coming-to-be, will always be far more fulfilling than the fumblings that arrive by pure thought. Your busy-ness is the subject of your work....not Time or anything else. Get rid of the space-suit and the TV boy and let the object become what it must. Theres plenty of other projects to do to pay the bills (and some might even be fun). But separate-out and recognize the exceptional ones...give them what they require.
There is no reason to believe that ANY invented thing is really any more important than a toaster...not an iron lung or an atom smasher...just more "things that work". They're every-damn-where.
Inventing and creating are nowhere near the same thing. One is a slave while the other enslaves.

[outsider]

'sup Evaldart. That's not The Ark in the videos. The Ark was my first ship. It is 20 feet long, 10 feet wide, and 8 feet tall. The Ark encompasses a lot of metaphor but no electronics or electromechanicals. I'm a ship builder building tommorrows ships today which makes me a sculptor!

[outsider]

Just landed some sponsorship for the Y-16 project. Should be putting in the deep cells on Monday. Which will allow the AC systems to test. Then video with Z rotor spin.

Hey, you guys think this is just art?

[GlennT]

Hey, you guys think this is just art?

Not me. I didn't think it was art. Interesting and humorous, but not art.

[outsider]

For 16 years now, scientists think this work is art and artists either think it is science or can not define it. Well, I have received art grants for the work. I would love to receive a science grant.

[evaldart]

Grants? To hell with grants! Thats poisoned money...will F-up the whole project. Do it all your damned self. Frankenstein-style. If you really want to water-down your Art with science, at leat do it on YOUR terms. Its too late in the game to cave-in, O. Your on the right track, just keep pushin'. Really, no one needs to know about the good stuff...thats ALL yours.

[Aaron Schroeder]

I like the idea of being a ship builder. No matter how people define ones work, it might as well float off into one medium or another. Even better is the object that stands still, holds it's place while everything else moves around it. Establishing an unwavering place that you can always get back to, that's what art and science is all about. What good is travell if doesn't get you back to a starting point or a standard unit of measure? Function and form, how can you seperate the two ? A focus on one results in a focus of the other.

All things are spaceships/timemachines.

[evaldart]

What you must understand is that science is so much less than Art.

[grommet]

Only if you're thinkin' narrow. occasionally it is an equal all-out flight of fancy that occasionally pays off monetarily.

[GlennT]

If it weren't for science, you would not be able to create the art that you do today.

[grommet]

That's a bit of a stretch. If you mean that one butterfly flapping changes the world, okay. But there's more than one way to beat a dead horse...

[GlennT]

Taking evaldart's work for example:

works in metal...metallurgy-product of science

welds....science

assembles scrap metal....all produced as objects whose function and orgins derive from science.

finishes on metal...chemical science

power tools...mechanical science

forge....caveman science

muscle..caveman

[outsider]

Art came before science. Science is just logical creativity. Discovery is playfulness. You have to be creative to discover.

[GlennT]

Art came before science. Science is just logical creativity. Discovery is playfulness. You have to be creative to discover.

Are you auditioning for a bumper-sticker company?

[grommet]

Art came before science. Science is just logical creativity. Discovery is playfulness. You have to be creative to discover.

I'll sign up for that.

No bumper stickers, but I do like one that my buddy had that said "What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about?"

[outsider]

Heck yea! Bumper stickers! How about...

*Art precedes life* * Buy Art* *A job is an artists worst enemy*
*Art is not a team sport* *Art works at the bakery*

[evaldart]

My bumper sticker says "I brake for super-powers".

[outsider]

I was thinking last night about how artists don't ask very many questions. When this work is presented in science forums, I am berated with questions. Has art lost all it's power? Art may be shocking but other than that it's left to a lobby or courtyard here and there and the gallery. No body cares. Oh, it's just art. Hell, just look at how the reporters wrote it off as art. When I presented on science forums, I crashed servers. As art? Nada.

Is anyone here just the least bit curious what I'm trying to do and how?

[evaldart]

Look O, science and physics and medicine, etc. all require pedigree...an organized trail of education and acceptance to ensure that your hypothesis' are all "in-line". If you've awakened anything in these people that would have them pelting you with questions it is because of the Art affectations. They are enjoying your narrative and interested in the possiblility of expanding their boring language. You are as much a novelty to them as you are to the suits at the TV station.
WE, on the other hand, are seeing performance art...and this is a SCULPTURE forum. Please don't be offended if we are not so engaged in the pseudo-technicia and hypothesised magnitude of it all.
I do not doubt that, lifetime object-maker that you are, you will eventually distill this into Art...and I'm sure this way of getting there is very exciting. But Science is just an extension of nature, driven by cause and effect necessity and function... and is just as inevitable and predictable as those things. Human perception is quite detached from nature, and when given the proper chance it will give us something quite UN-natural...like Art.

[jOe~]

Very good Evaldart. Science is the epitome in man's attempt to reveal absolute (but not necessarily eternal)truth and grasp reality. ART is the epitome in alternative thinking( to the rigid logic of science). That is why there are no rules that apply absolutely--which is a way of saying that there are no rules. Pushing beyond societal conventions and expectations and finding even greater beauty and intrigue is so liberating! So the question to you Evaldart: If your art is an act of personal force that reveals life expanding feelings, then how can a viewer ever "get it" if most of the meaning is in the making?

Note to Glenn and those mystified by Smith's quote below--I hope this helps you understand.

[evaldart]

Joe, the more EXclusive, within, concentrated, personal and despiting my creative actions, the MORE the viewer, my viewer, get served. This is because I believe that the artist is working at his best when SO MUCH has gone into the effort, that some spills-over. There are other works, jobbish chores, that happen very easy...put in the hours, follow the steps, refer to the drawing etc, that we take very little from (except cabbage). Some of those can be quite large and consuming, mind you, but they are not the "finest of the fine". And though commissioners of such works are easily pleased, they are not getting the best of me, or from me (lord knows they wouldn't want that). Excellence is a casual stroll...pertinence is a sprint; a sprint with an undecided finish-line. And a sprint revealed by the slowness of everything else that happens.

We must accept that all of our efforts are not necessarily "yielding". Folks can learn, though, to be appreciating of a wide range of made-things. But the things that are Art, and nobody really knows which ones for sure, "give" by virtue of their bursting.

When I experience the overspill from a work of Art, anyones, I not only revel in the pertinence, I become envigorated by the vicarious thrill of what the Artist must have been feeling as he/she brought it into being.

In all, efforts that pander to the predicament and function of your incidentals, stand no chance of getting you ahead. Your dust in their eyes will be a greater service, as they'll have a potntially illuminating haze to follow.

[jOe~]

Joe, the more EXclusive, within, concentrated, personal and despiting my creative actions, the MORE the viewer, my viewer, get served.Yeah, I was trying to get at that creative spittle on the "eccentric" thread but it wasn't flowing into everyday life. The bands I really like, spill that transference into everything. Their expressive behavior isn't an act or segregated out as performance persona. I was wondering if any sculpture folks let it leak out in everyday life. But,here,holding hands in public was seen as an act of edgy behavior that few topped . I gave up. I think being yourself requires pushing the edges and the more you do it the more fun and friends, and too, the clueless don't kill the buzz. Just my philosophy. Ya, I know, many don't want change and need the herd and thus have more company that way. Whatever is the best you can do.

[outsider]

Davinci built all kinds of scientific equipment and war machines. What happened to the modern artist? Why is the modern artist only interested in art for arts sake? Sculptors are hands on people. We build our houses and studios. We wire up our equipment. We are tool junkies. Why in the hell can't we apply ourselves to the worlds problems? Why can't new energy or new modes of transportation be our themes? We are creative. We spend our lives being creative. The world has physical problems. We work the physical. Isn't it time for us to think about the condition of the box as well as think outside of it?

This is the new art movement of the 21st century. We are the linebackers tackling the worlds problems.

[outsider]

bump.

[evaldart]

It is only in weakened states (hunger) that the Artist endeavors to help his species with their problems. Because he knows damned-well that it is, after all, actually a DIS-service. Making things for them is all barter...a lawn ornament for a vehicle, a gizmomaggigit for a warehouse, an action-painting for a long slice in the belly...a pretty vase for a hammer-drill.
We give them the most by exceeding our own expectations of ourselves. The things we Artists manage to get-done without them, when it all finally foams-over, can start them thinking...yes, just thinking and perhaps wondering, which may or may-not lead to any pertinent action (and whether or not it does is none of our damned business).

[grommet]

I think the real challenge is to assist the box where you see a glaring lack without being rapidly stuffed into it by those who couldn't see the lack to begin with, but have strong hairy knuckles.
I suggest practicing your creative wind-sprints in solitude before you go near the box people.

Be wary of people who don't see the difference between thinking out of the box and thinking outside the box.

[Aaron Schroeder]

Let the outsider speak, we might learn something. Time travell can be a compelling topic. Why not urge him on, perhaps one day we can all approach the subject of time and space with more of an open mind. Who doesn't want that ?

[evaldart]

It needs to be understood, quite digested, in the interest of individual furtherance, that we already have complete control over time and space. Charades that that would employ mechanisms, gadgets, formulas and languages are a backwards-looking distraction. They are an insult against knowledge and action. Inasmuch as existence or presence is inseperable from perception, theres no mystery in the "being". The mystery lies in potency, assertion, instigation and the general enlivening that can occur by the atom-less fuel that spurs us on. Satifying functions, solving riddles and constantly sustaining are "en-deadening" activities...even an avocation, or hobby contains more worthwhile. The second hand on your watch does not add or take-away anything, but it can kill a proper thought, or corrall an otherwise free instant.

Time can me marked by 30lb spools of .035 and space can be staked by how far away you can roll your gantry.

[grommet]

Tine can me marked by 30lb spools of .035 and space can be staked by how far away you can roll your gantry.

While this is absolutely true, it also means that you've found a box that is just your size. It would be hell without that creative elbow-room.

[GlennT]

It needs to be understood, quite digested, in the interest of individual furtherance, that we already have complete control over time and space. Charades that that would employ mechanisms, gadgets, formulas and languages are a backwards-looking distraction. They are an insult against knowledge and action. Inasmuch as existence is or presence is inseperable from perception, theres no mystery in the "being". The mystery lies in potency, assertion, instigation and the general enlivening that can occur by the atom-less fuel that spurs us on. Satifying functions, solving riddles and constantly sustaining are "en-deadening" activities...even an avocation, or hobby contains more worthwhile. The second hand on your watch does not add or take-away anything, but its can kill a proper thought, or corrall an otherwise free instant.

Tine can me marked by 30lb spools of .035 and space can be staked by how far away you can roll your gantry.


I think this wins the profound post of the week award!

[outsider]

.035 just means heavy metal. That's heavy metal that can quickly find itself scrapped. Heavy metal is over. Sheet is the way to go now days! So make that .025 for me!

What's funny is that everyone harks upon the time travel aspect when I actually had to fight pretty hard to prevent it. Instantaneous travel is what it's all about. Besides, I don't like dodging the time travel cops who are only 5 minutes away.

Once while testing, all four of the computers rebooted themselves with bios presets of 1828. I thought if I got out of the unit and opened the studio door the door would turn to wood, the studio to a barn, and me with 8 hours of gasoline in the generator to get my ass home. Instead, I spent 2 hours re-setting the bios clocks, setting up the programs, and getting everything back. Sure no one believes me. Who cares. I proudly wiped the sweat from my forehead that day

[Aaron Schroeder]

The hardest thing about time travell has always been getting back " Home ". Sailboats go, that's not the problem, getting them to go where you want them to, when you want then to....is. If I have any questions, it's concerning the means/methods that you utilize to orient your systems to return to a fixed point ( a wild concept ). What, how do you get your gizmos to orient on a now? Certainly there's more to it than setting a clock.

[outsider]

Time travel sucks quite frankly. It takes time to time travel. I utilize pre-section 15 pc's which are quite slow. It takes about a day to go 5 years. Seriously, what really sucks and why there are no time travelors to speak of is because somewhere in time a police force was put in place to eradicate time travelors. They are never more than 5 minutes away. Sounds like a movie... so be it.

Space and time are interconnected. I utilize a simple astronomy program to give positions in space and on Earth, with past, present, and future time frames.

Skip the time travel crap. How would you like to close your eyes and imagine yourself on a tropical beach and then open your eyes on that beach? Some day, hardware like mine will be as small as a trinket on your key chain!

[evaldart]

Theres a delighted optimism in your tone these days, O. Perhaps its the new medium, or the de-cloaking, or the recent attention or a general creative maturing. Whatever it is, it suits you. Maniocentrics such as myself who expect laborious perseverence to fix (and break) everything, wont be reading your reportings as true lab-notes, but rather as verbal plottings...you are having your way with Time when you can try-out an idea before going through the trouble of executing it. You will discover though that their is a wear-and-tear on your molecules as the "in-jump" moments accumulate (they become agitated by their unplacement). Also dont forget about the perceptive contamination that occurs by actually witnessing events of the past (wont be anything like what your read in books or what they told you in school). You'll never believe another word they tell you...especially their diagnoses and assessments.
If you ever need a co-pilot, call old Evaldart...I don't mind an adventure and I've got a very special Ray-Gun.

[outsider]

Yeah Eval, things are OK. Just about done with a 5'x12' wall relief to pay the bills. It's a never ending internal debate regarding disclosure. Should it stay secret in hopes of patents and production, or blab how it works. It would probably take 6 hours to describe most of it. Be nice if I got enough after bills for the 6 12 volt deep cell batteries I need for it. I guess I could go for broke and dump rent into it but the problem is I need 2+ months for testing.

Hey Eval, if ya see that thing in your backyard some day don't be scared...jus' me takin' ya up on yer offer!

[sculptor]

forget time travel
the only reason to travel is cause you ain't satisfied in being where you are
the only reason to time travel is cause you ain't satisfied in being when you are

be satisfied in the here and now
and
if you really need something
let the warrior sleep while the nagual runs the errands
beyond the constraints
outside the box
outside the perspective
outside the rational
in the moment and in all time, here and there and nowhere all at the same time and in no time
the "physical laws" are constructs of your own limitations

sleep warriors and set the nagual free
.............................
as/re
If it weren't for science, you would not be able to create the art that you do today.
alternately:
If it weren't for art we would not be able to create the science that we do today.
engineers need the dreams and imaginations of the artists
to build the tools we use
................................
on a recent trip to Ecuador, I found myself hurtling toward the east at over 1000 miles per hour
with no sensation of movement
really amazing stuff

[outsider]

Just put up video of the AC armature motor test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9nGWSi3NNE

I started building a planet 15 years ago. Time to go see it. Many more steps before the Y-16 inner spacecraft is ready though.

[Aaron Schroeder]

How many RPM does your gizmo have to spinn at to work ( yes I'm trying to get you to divulged your secrets ). In this recent video, I'm hearing what sounds like an off center shaft, a noisy bearing, perhaps an imbalance in the central form, something. Do you have power running into that central form ? I see the coils around the spinning form and the coils in the cabin, what's the connection ?

A few clues would be appreciated. I advocate getting ideas out there instead of keeping them secret ( which may be very foolish of me ). So many great thinkers and tinkers have gone to their grave before they could work out the legalities around their inventions. So much has been lost ( perhaps for the best, it can be a hard call ).

Perhaps posting a wish list of pieces, parts and components would help. Asking folks to contribute sometimes results in generous gifts. I find it hard to believe that you can't get you hands on all the batteries and such that you need to make this system work just as you envision. Thanks for keeping us posted.

[Dustin Faddis]

O, Physics is not bad, as sciences go, because it at least enjoys flirtaions with bafflement; but it can't be with Art because of its annoying desire for conclusions. You'll note that all these conclusions get replaced by another wrong one soo enough.

What an interesting "conclusion" about conclusions. Definitely a conclusive conclusion about what not to include. This all ignorant respect for the unknown and those who pursue learning and knowledge, wasn't Leonardo DaVinci a bit of a physicist? I think he pursued science and some call it art?

[outsider]

Aaron, there exists vast capacity for refinement. I am basically using a bulldozer to make a side walk. I forsee a day when this "bulldozer" is refined a shrunk and will someday dangle from your key chain. A bunch of mechanical drawings, a machinist, and a machine shop could easily get that vibration you hear removed. I think I did a fairly good job on this prototype.

Right now, my spilled beans are in my coffee.

Pragmatism keeps rent over research.

[outsider]

Just started a blog about the progress of the y-16 inner spacecraft sculpture.

http://y-16.blogspot.com

[evaldart]

Cool Chris, but I've never blogged before. Do I sign up to add postings or just click on something?

That thing is looking sharp, shinier than I thought it would be:D. Nice attention to detail...and I LOVE that you've got 7 live batteries hooked-up with current going...somewhere. Ha, you might be waking-up the monster if you don't watch it.

The generator need better visual assimilation.

[Aaron Schroeder]

Nice blog, looks good.

Heard from an old scouting friend, he's doing research kind of like what you're doing but different. Using magnetic wave frequencies to treat depression. More or less giving people lobotomies. You're not lobotomizing yourself, are ya ? How safe is your device ? The Y-16 is working for you, how about others ? What do other people say ?

[outsider]

Hey, looks like us steel guys stick together. Eval, anyone can comment on a blog by clicking on comment at the end of each entry. The generator is purposly being kept bad video. I'm not displaying all the cards just yet.
Aaron, I might have heard of that guy. In my early research I was able to lift depressives out of their depression for 4 to 5 days with the early version. I could minaturize the unit and sell them maybe. That's still on the back burner. Patents, manufacturing, and govt. approval are collosal endeavers. As for how safe this unit is, well frankly, I'm scared. Inner space includes multiple worlds. I could transport to another world and run out of power or something and not get back. I really do kinda feel like John Glenn in that thing. Today's blog entry is hillarious. Jeeze, this is too much for even me sometimes. Ha ha fasion forward......

http://y-16.blogspot.com

[grommet]

and some of that good ol' pipe insulation. Thats come in handy for me as well. Not for so fetching a cap though.

[StevenW]

Now everybody wants one..

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=260813

I wonder if I can make one out of marble.. :|

Okay, leave space ships and time machines and inner space thingamajigs to the cybermen. :p

[outsider]

I added a donation button on the site today. Takes all cards. Works through PayPal. Very secure.

http://y-16.blogspot.com

Thanks

[Aaron Schroeder]

I like the donation feature. I could use one as well. Hopefully it will work for you, let us know when that happens.

Perhaps you could also post images and affordable objects for sale. Alerting people via e-mail concerning fresh offerings is a good way to stay in the minds of those who could help you. There's no shame in a little self promotion. Asking people to forward e-mails with links and image attachments may also work to establish new contacts.

Everything you do has value, even the simplest sketch. Put reasonable price tags on things and see what happens. Make things that'll fit in a box that you can ship, most carriers will do door to door and will bill the reciever. It's easy.

Consider The WASTE NOT CENTER , they have a web page. Like Re-Art. Materials are available.

[outsider]

Donations are coming in. Be a part of it!

[outsider]

What do you think....

The www.Y-16.com project has been awarded 2 art grants over the years with the latest a few months ago. I'd like to put the unit on tour. Anyone know of any art centers/museums/galleries with forward vision? Please post suggestions or email through www.Y-16.com

[grhb]

It's not art it's media hype.

[grommet]

It's not art it's media hype.
In the age of networking, isn't working the media considered an art form too? It's current, it's referential, it's provocative..;)

[grhb]

I was just kiddin' around, showin' my affinity for one-line symmetry. Gadfly outsider hadit comin' callin' one of my shiny objects "photography not art." Henny Youngman lives. badda-boom.

The spectacle is certainly art--appropriate tricksterism as noted by 3E (effim egghead Evaldart), the closet Chaucerian.

any o' you aesthetes know where this poem comes from? Hint: the trickster is always a better character than the tortured artiste, no matter what we're supposed to believe.

"red thy fambles white thy gan,
thy quorrons dainty is,
so couch a hogshead with me now,
thru the darkman's clip and kiss."

Nobody joined the Masons after reading War and Peace, did they? or was it roscicrucians? No I think it was the handshake people.

[ironman]

It's, WHITE thy fambles, RED thy gan.
Have a great day,
Mr. Joyce

[grommet]

THE MAUNDER'S PRAISE OF HIS STROWLING MORT
I

Doxy, oh! thy glaziers shine [1]
As glimmar; by the Salomon! [2]
No gentry mort hath prats like thine, [3]
No cove e'er wap'd with such a one. [4]

II

White thy fambles, red thy gan, [5]
And thy quarrons dainty is; [6]
Couch a hogshead with me then, [7]
And in the darkmans clip and kiss. [8]III

What though I no togeman wear, [9]
Nor commission, mish, or slate; [10]
Store of strammel we'll have here, [11]
And ith' skipper lib in state. [12]

IV

Wapping thou I know does love, [13]
Else the ruffin cly the mort; [14]
From thy stampers then remove, [15]
Thy drawers, and let's prig in sport. [16]

V

When the lightman up does call, [17]
Margery prater from her nest, [18]
And her Cackling cheats withal, [19]
In a boozing ken we'll feast. [20]

VI

There if lour we want; I'll mill [21]
A gage, or nip for thee a bung; [22]
Rum booze thou shalt booze thy fill, [23]
And crash a grunting cheat that's young. [24]

[1 mistress; eyes]
[2 fire; mass]
[3 lady; [Notes]]
[4 [Notes]]
[5 hand; mouth]
[6 body]
[7 sleep]
[8 night; [Notes]]
[9 cloak]
[10 shirt or sheet]
[11 straw]
[12 in the barn; lie]
[13 Notes]
[14 the devil take the woman otherwise]
[15 feet]
[16 stockings; revel]
[17 daylight]
[18 hen]
[19 chickens]
[20 ale-house]
[21 Money; steal]
[22 pot; steal a purse]
[23 wine; drink]
[24 eat; pig]

[grhb]

So much for my memory. i recall it was buck mulligan singing the tune, am I right? In my youth I was told Daedalus was the shining star and Buck the cretin. But ole mulligan had all the fun.

thanks for the full version Grommet, great meter.

[GlennT]

Are you sure that wasn't from a recording of Ironman singing while stumbling home after a gallery opening of his one man show?