Post Art

[cheesepaws]

Just a thread for celebrating what an amazing time it is to be making art on planet Earth. It is ALL art - we swim in it!

Documenta’s American-born artistic director, Carolyn Christov-Bakargiev, doesn’t even use the word “artist,” preferring “participant” instead. She says, “I am not sure that the field of art will continue to exist in the 21st century” — not meaning art itself, mind you, but our tidy roping-off of the field. To Joseph Beuys’s famous dictum “Everyone is an artist,” Christov-Bakargiev adds, “So is any thing.” The best parts of Documenta 13 bring us into close contact with this illusive entity of Post Art—things that aren’t artworks so much as they are about the drive to make things that, like art, embed imagination in material and grasp that creativity is a cosmic force. It’s an idea I love. (As I’ve written before, everything that’s made, if you look at it in certain ways, already is or can be art.) Things that couldn’t be fitted into old categories embody powerfully creative forms, capable of carrying meaning and making change. Post Art doesn’t see art as medicine, relief, or religion; Post Art doesn’t even see art as separate from living.


The blurb above is from this:

http://www.vulture.com/2012/06/documenta-13-review.html

[GlennT]

Originally Posted by cheesepaws

Post Art doesn’t see art as medicine, relief, or religion; Post Art doesn’t even see art as separate from living.[/i]

The there's Post Living, which doesn't see living as separate from dying, which is handy when people no longer want to live in a nihlistic world that has lost the meaning of truth, beauty, and art.

[cheesepaws]

Originally Posted by GlennT

The there's Post Living, which doesn't see living as separate from dying, which is handy when people no longer want to live in a nihlistic world that has lost the meaning of truth, beauty, and art.

Whew! Luckily that is not the case in OUR world or THIS thread which celebrates the pervasiveness of art in every aspect of our lives - and that IS rife with truth and beauty! Gulp the art deeply.

[evaldart]

Ooooo, I like this. unfortunately the other me is out mangling metal right now while I snuck indoors for another quick air-conditioner break. I will have more than you like to say about this when that big dummy out there gets spent. I'll be back.

[chris 71]

i dont know cheese i guess what ever floats your boat. i think if i was there i would just natrauly gravitate to the visual see and feel things, but thats just me.
the most exciting thing about the helicopter would be the ride. i think it would tottaly over shadow the whole meaning part. would be just like oooh!! cant wait till we get to the real rich guys, how high are we gonna go? is there any parachutes in there lol. but as far as art for me, it would be real light weight puffy sort of thing.
i guess i like the more traditional type art but that probably is just because thats what i like to do best carving/ sculpting. but i would rather not be a stuffed shirt shove it down your throat kinda guy. that is one thing i can say i have learnt from this forum. if the guy wants to call it art ok let him.

i love to gulp in the wind, and sun on my face, and to watch and listen, to the leaves rustle in the wind. and from the right vantage point say watch peolpe on a busy downtown street from a building high in the sky like ants busselling about. just a couple things great that being alive is possible hear on planet earth but art i dont know. better then art maybe LIFE

[cheesepaws]

Originally Posted by chris 71

the most exciting thing about the helicopter would be the ride. i think it would tottaly over shadow the whole meaning part. would be just like oooh!! cant wait till we get to the real rich guys, how high are we gonna go? is there any parachutes in there lol.

Give yourself a bit more credit. From what you describe I'd bet that you would get the "meaning" of the experience pretty accurately. Oh - and your work is hardly traditional just because you use some traditional artisan skills to realize your vision. You make some pretty wicked, non-traditional forms.

[evaldart]

Oh - and your work is hardly traditional just because you use some traditional artisan skills to realize your vision. You make some pretty wicked, non-traditional forms.

No doubt about it, Chris...you are quite (confidently) in your own special place regarding your relationship to your forms, figures and processes. But life and art are not the same thing...I'll get into that later.

[evaldart]

While he'd never admit it, the Salzilator was grasping for a catch phrase, his own ism, his own little addendum to the tall-tale of historically-determined perception of art. Since it is such an obvious pre-fix I would imagine it has been used many times before by unheralded academics and cultural spinsters. But as he alludes, and by the noted support of at least one other scribbler, to and "end" of one thing and the emerging of a "new" thing (conveniently at the outset of a new century) he has also made it quite clear that he supposes that art is quite continuing. I think the whole thing is just a provocative snippet of easy thought. This is a subject that deserves 300 pages, if there is anything at all to it.

There is great possibility in a discussion that purports the "end" of art; because somewhere in there the very nature of what art IS (or WAS) will have to be LENGTHILY and THOROUGHLY confronted. Way too much work for your popular culture propogators.
"Change" is the thing that is full of beginnings and ends...and changes can be barely perceivable or shocking. One is not more significant than the other. Art is evidence of the churn, it is quite the only thing that can address the predicament of a human individual's consciousness.
This Documenta seems to be loaded with very little but spectacle. But I wasnt there, so I couldnt really say without seeing the stuff.

But I indeed DO like the notion of an "after-art" as a starting point for some good thinking.

[evaldart]

Turns out that the term Post Art goes back to Kaprow in the sisxties, and then revisited by Kuspit shortly thereafter. They announced this long ago. So we are all post artists, hah.

[chris 71]

Originally Posted by chris 71

whats that old saying "there aint nothin new under the sun"

for truth lol