Today's society more or less impressed with fine art?

[jOe~]

What I note usually is that when too many people disagree with Joe

Its not the disagreements, its when individuals don't even read the post, answer the wrong post, or just plain don't think. Sabbaticals are healthy.

As to you being impressed with crap, you had the benefit of the whole experience whereas those after you just get crap, without the dog. It's like going to one of your concerts & arriving just in time to join the people leaving the concert.

Sorry. I'm not up to deciphering the logic in all that.

[evaldart]

Originally Posted by grommet

What I note usually is that when too many people disagree with Joe and the noggin thumping garners nothing, the hissy fit usually includes threats of leaving, like he has on occasion, with announcements each time. Whatever.

As to you being impressed with crap, you had the benefit of the whole experience whereas those after you just get crap, without the dog. It's like going to one of your concerts & arriving just in time to join the people leaving the concert.


Again, if you don't like the first one, you probably won't like the 20th one, unless a change is made. Quantity is not everything, it may be a singular piece that makes a connection. In which case a quest with a tuned head is all you need, not massive quantities of everything.

You're right. Change must accompany the quantities. Because in Art, production is irrelevent without it.
I suppose that there should be some "de-celebrating" of the created object/artifact. In keeping with some of StevenW's thinking, we should allow the the works to be trodden over, not necessasarily disrespected, but put to task...with our third eye on that one real one. During all this, both, we (the individual creator) and we (the assessors of quality on the outside - culture) might get preoccupied by a seemingly "special" creation here and there; but the advancment is happenning by the "chain" continuance of the sums of the activity.
There might be a delusional presumption in worrying over the "quality" of a single thing. While its difficult to resist the urge to impress with every new thing...it is probably important to do so. And yes, I do take satisfaction at knocking the proverbial sock off of my viewer(s)...a guilty pleasure that ol fachioned "growing up" might just take care of.

[StevenW]

Happy Mother's Day! Don't forget to call your mom or at least make some chocolate covered strawberries or something for your neighbor/single mom/wife/whatever..

Joe, I agree sabbaticals are healthy, maybe some of the people you're talking about are just taking lengthy sabbaticals. lol
Then again, not everyone wants to or even can stand the thought of having their work "poo'd" upon or on or whatever.. I suspect many sculptors (or people in any other field) have a bit of a Michelangelo complex (At least I did for some silly reason) where they think they're the bloody greatest at least for a time and to be knocked off that imaginary pedastal can be disheartening. This is the seperation of the men from the boys though and those who run and flee are the boys..

Quantity,.. Hmm.. I also suspect that art is all about quantity and we've overlooked something obvious by asserting (as I was taught in the University) that quality trumps quantity and in my mind, quality can only be achieved through quantity to begin with.

So let the poking begin, I want to be a Tantra expert next and retire with a harem of 30 somethings engaged in lots of QUANTITY!

Well okay, I'd settle for just one in the harem..

[grommet]

As to you being impressed with crap, you had the benefit of the whole experience whereas those after you just get crap, without the dog. It's like going to one of your concerts & arriving just in time to join the people leaving the concert.

Sorry. I'm not up to deciphering the logic in all that.

Yeah, I know, it's hard looking at stuff outside your own head. And if you can't understand why someone can't appreciate a joke when all they're given is the punchline, you should never pawn yourself off as a joke teller.

[jOe~]

Sorry, it got stuck to my shoe and I dragged to another thread--you'll find it...just follow my trail.

[grommet]

sorry, following a poo-trail to the prize at the end doesn't sound promising. You can have my share. Though I'm guessing you have a 'first come-first served' policy...

[KatyL]

Originally Posted by Glacierspirits

Would you say in today's world, the modern era, is more impressed with fine art, or less then in times from the past? I'm not talking sales volume, or public support, but rather the overall "ahhh" factor we all look for. Are people in general more, or less impressed with fine artistic things?

I think that more people are educated then in -- the 18th century, for instance-- and through that education, whether or not it was in "fine art" or not, more people have had more exposure to art, and have a better way to express what they feel about it. Fine art has a broader definition, and may appeal to a broader spectrum of people.

As far as "impressed?" I think quite a lot of people are impressed even by a small painting that "looks like" the subject. Something large, like a Henry Moore sculpture, or art design for Lord of the Rings, seems overwhealming to some people. I think being impressed depends on the person. The more educated you are to techniques and materials, the less "impressed" you sometimes are. I am always impressed by big things, but that guy who builds micro sculptures is impressive as well.

[Ben Weaver]

I think more people are impressed with name-brand fine art in that there is established monetary value associated with specific artist. When it comes down to public art the wow factor comes into play with scale or unknown process to the public-"how did they do that". There are still wow moments when it comes to viewing art in galleries when there is unarguable quality of work, but the context of where the work is being shown seems to be increasingly important to the public.

[mantrid]

Originally Posted by KatyL

The more educated you are to techniques and materials, the less "impressed" you sometimes are. I am always impressed by big things, but that guy who builds micro sculptures is impressive as well.

I cant agree with this. Before I started sculpting in bronze, only a year or so ago. If I saw a figurine in a museum or gallery I could appreciate it but was rarely impressed. Im much more impressed these days as Im aware of all the skills, time and effort thats involved.

[sparrow]

I agree with Ben here. I must add that I can't put myself back in the place of the average viewer, who, in my opinion has not had the art training we've had and must rely on designers and media hype to help. My training shows me what level of work I'm seeing even though it's very big or showy. There is truly a lot of awesome work out there and it keeps getting more numerous and technical. But, sadly, I think that art training in the schools has not prepared or motivated the average person to even go see it let alone appreciate it's beauty on more than a superficial level. I don't have a lot of hope. Sculpture is among the most expensive categories of Art and the market is small. Out here in the Northern Plains, people are awed by how realistic an artist can work, in whatever medium. that is the work that sells too.

[Portoro]

If we are talking about the 'modern era' being more or less impressed by fine art, I imagine that the appreciation of 'fine art' will remain the indulgence of an aesthetically sophisticated audience. This is an educational issue for me - teach it or lose it. In the UK we teach people to make money now (we don't even make THINGS anymore). The appreciation of art doesn't maintain economic growth, so the government isn't really all that interested.