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Old 06-03-2009, 08:53 AM
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Re: So, who needs figurative?

Had a cappuccino earlier, felt OK for 10 minutes. That’s the best I can do in any one day at the moment…..
Stone carving: a house that HAS to be built on rock. Sand won’t do.

You’re good at Puzzles, Grommet – tell me what I mean?
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Old 06-03-2009, 09:48 AM
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Re: So, who needs figurative?

ART HISTORY 101

Teach them young that there is room for-and Magritte and Spiderman. This is a photo from a friend of his young son holding a piece that I had given to James, the father, at the birth of his son. I will let James speak for themselves.

<<Bob walked into my office and said, "Dad, I like what you made."

<<I said, "What did I make?"

<<Bob said, "This sculpture."

<<I said, "Oh, I did not make that, my friend Robert from Texas made that."

<<He thought I was being funny by saying he made it, but I explained that I <<really do have a friend in Texas whose name is also Robert and he is a <<sculptor.

<<Then I asked him, "So Bob, what is that"

<<Bob said, "It's an apple core."

<<And I said, "No, actually, it's a sculpture of an apple core."

<<Also, he likes Spiderman.>>

Do that Golden Door and your citations will not be "Ham thrown to oysters"

Art is provocation, if not then decoration
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Old 06-03-2009, 10:34 AM
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Go eat a popsicle, you'll feel better.
Ever get the impression that Grommet thinks we are all her kids?
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Old 06-03-2009, 10:42 AM
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you think adults can't eat popsicles?
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Old 06-03-2009, 10:53 AM
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Ooooh, the dropped popsicle, melting on the sidewalk. I'm with all the other ants on THAT sugary delight. But we musn't forget the roadkill...a big bite of proteined reality. Hold your nose and dive in...before the maggots beat you to it.
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Old 06-03-2009, 02:46 PM
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Had a cappuccino earlier, felt OK for 10 minutes. That’s the best I can do in any one day at the moment…..
Stone carving: a house that HAS to be built on rock. Sand won’t do.
Well, I can sympathize and congratulate at the same time can't I? If I didn't know you better I'd say you were going through an extended bout of sads. Sand won't do, its true, but anything built on it will sink and dissapear eventually while the rock foundations will stand and weather time.. People will still build on sand no matter what you tell them, it's just human nature to take their chances and go their own way and in the end all anyone can do is nod their head and smile and keep pointing at the rock.

let's not forget that even failure is a move forward and why I don't particularly believe in it..
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Old 06-03-2009, 04:43 PM
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look at that one, he is collecting sentencs from dead and who has a well known name. and sometimes printing from his memory to here and there.

i said "can you come here sometimes without your collection? dont hide yourself behind those names. tell me what is your opinion?

that girl is so dangerous, look at she is holding a stick and coming with it. go out sometimes.



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Art is provocation, if not then decoration

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provocation is art, if not then what it is?
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Old 06-03-2009, 06:26 PM
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"Never Mind the Bollocks", once I discovered art I became a celibate monk. God save the Queen!
Did not know that Art was a Queen and I've known quite a few celibates that knew how to celebrate--and I mind the bollocks, thank you.

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"Never Mind the Bollocks",
This was a reference to the Sex Pistols, but no one seemed to get it.
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:58 PM
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Aw c'mon. EVERYONE knows that record...unless your heads been in a hole. There were a few sx pis references in this thread (pretty vacant etc).
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Old 06-03-2009, 08:12 PM
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This was a reference to the Sex Pistols, but no one seemed to get it.
As Evaldart said, the reference was clear. However, unclear to you sir, is I believe the response referred to the Uber Coolio Aussie Punks, THE CELIBATE RIFLES, who took their name as a dueling take on SEX PISTOLS.

I could be mistaken, but that would be my guess.

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Old 06-03-2009, 08:51 PM
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while we're on the subject gun club
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Old 06-03-2009, 08:56 PM
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They were great. Saw them in the early 80's in some dive in NY state. Kid Congo

Six degrees of The Cramps. RIP Lux Interior.

My turn-

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Fortunately, I had my head in a hole and missed all of that.
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Back on the subject of guns and figure sculpting. I have a new one.
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Interesting umbilicals from the head/heart/gut.. Or is that some sort of hydraulic or energy supply thing?
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Old 06-04-2009, 02:42 AM
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Thanks for the thoughts, Steven.

Part of what I was referring to was the dilemma of the stone carver – as an art activity I suspect carving fits better in traditional and modernist contexts than post-modernist. Hence, building on rock (traditionalist/modernist) rather than sand (post-modernist).
Post-modernism has driven art out of traditional materials. The ‘sand’ of modern theory that has driven post-modern art also makes all those modern materials (from plastics and resin, to, well, your bed) entirely appropriate - they are sympathetic to the 'content'. Working stone so that the result is post-modern may be too difficult – hence the dilemma of all those stone ‘sculptors’ who have ideas and get workshops to do the carving. Their interest is post-modern; the material at best is modernist. They don't BELIEVE in the material because modern materials are MADE to be transcient - their essential nature is impermanence, not permanence(traditional/modernist). That’s why Clive Bell will appeal to many carvers – he is thinking in TERMS that can produce good stone pieces. He's old hat, like the material. Just as photography made realism redundant, so modern materials have conspired to make stone redundant – it’s too ‘weighty’ for the present age, too substantial, in an age that has rejected substance (or simply doesn't believe in it). When I saw Dan Edwards’ Britney Spears my first reaction was that the material was wrong – resin, moulded plastic, yes, but the shallow and the weighty don’t go together. Stone’s dead. The post-modernist sculptor who resurrects it simply doesn't know what he is doing, or he has lost the ability to see stone for what it is. It will outlast, and be the critic of, all those modern materials. It is THE PLANET, after all - literally, the ground of all being.
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:03 AM
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Portoro,
Sorry for your angst, but that is actually the stuff that can make a difference, the niggling details that can spur you on new adventures. Not believing in 'it can't be done', the question is (if it matters that much to you-- and that's its own question) 'how can I do this?' As with anything, when you still have your training wheels, or training bra, or trainers on, the results arent going to be as lush and polished looking as when you have more practice, more meat, more finesse.
Ya gotta believe.
Now click your heels 3 times & have a latte (same as the cappucino only less air pretending to be decadent).
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OK. Got it now.
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mine always tastes better in the red mug...
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Old 06-04-2009, 10:21 AM
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Just had a DOUBLE double expresso, so can't post until I come down from the ceiling....
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Old 06-04-2009, 10:28 AM
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Doesn't that make your toes numb? All that caffeine, not clinging to the ceiling, though I suppose...
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