Critiquing: a slippery road

[grommet]

Originally Posted by evaldart

There are no gaps, so there is never need of any ;filling.That space between things is busy with its own potential. One musnt overlook it, in favor of distant things (goals and tomorrow). One person's forsakings are another's obsessions.

yes, I think there's substantially more importance in the interstices and periphery than what is solidly, obviously in front of us.

[rika]

Periphery is a measurable abundance; the outer limits of an enclosed space that borders another space...it can also be a place for the sidelined from inner space. Yes, there is potential in periphery.

[grommet]

measurable?

[Robson Valley]

Your periphery, the interstices, is broadly referred to in biological systems as "edge," in that the scale of observation is not relevant. I read that you are seeing the qualities and properties of that significant attribute. And from a direction that's fascinating.

[rika]

Originally Posted by grommet

measurable?

Yes, as it relates to an enclosed space

Originally Posted by Robson Valley

Your periphery, the interstices, is broadly referred to in biological systems as "edge," in that the scale of observation is not relevant. I read that you are seeing the qualities and properties of that significant attribute. And from a direction that's fascinating.

Robson, can you tell more about the "edge"?

[Robson Valley]

To biologists, "edge" is boundary, possibly a layer which can be abrupt with little thickness, to a substantial third & soft dimension, a transition with a texture and attributes all of its own. Any broader than that suggests some sort of a gradient, usually physical and a mix of edges.

Edge is unique in that it holds things which can be found nowhere else, such as shadows & lights or patina on a bronze. Edge is unique as it may include things which have been excluded from either volume. Edge often entertains excursions of materials/life from either volume but persistence is impossible.

In short, interactions occur in edge. I see irritating and crude illustration of this in pictures posted of carvings and sculptures where the artist takes no responsibility for control of the background. I don't enjoy the distraction.

[grommet]

an interval is not necessarily enclosed, rather it is the mass creating the interval that is contained. An interstice is part of the other stuff-- see Higgs Bosun for clues. Measuring is limited numerically as well as perceptually

[rika]

Very interesting, Robson, thanks. Sounds like the "edge" is full of possibilities from an artistic point of view...

[Mack]

"In short, interactions occur in edge. I see irritating and crude illustration of this in pictures posted of carvings and sculptures where the artist takes no responsibility for control of the background. I don't enjoy the distraction."

This also occurs in the placement of sculpture in a gallery setting. Some gallery people are oblivious to the importance of the "edge" in a sculpture, and place the piece in front of a painting or some other work instead of a blank wall where the line can be seen without distraction. True that this only possible from one or two viewing angles but it's very important to at least have those ,I think.

[Robson Valley]

grommet: that's true = mass has edge.
rika: there ya go! Edge is unlike mass. In a forest, I can, to some extent predict what I find and how it works. In a lake, much the same thing. Oh, but the edge, the boundary! Interactions galore, plus things like frogs live there but can't be sustained in the mass on either side.
Mack: too funny! I've had that done to me. I'm looking for edge. To follow edge as a frame for thought.

Somebody commented on the shallow 2D of a posted picture that provides very weak support for comment. I have been struggling for a couple of days, trying to figure out how to get this sucky software to accept my photo files which have already been posted in wood websites.
The reason I say this is that I have every intention of displaying some wood carvings in 3D. I expect that should give everyone a better sense of what I've been doing.

[grommet]

In short, interactions occur in edge. I see irritating and crude illustration of this in pictures posted of carvings and sculptures where the artist takes no responsibility for control of the background. I don't enjoy the distraction. This also occurs in the placement of sculpture in a gallery setting. Some gallery people are oblivious to the importance of the edge in a sculpture, and place the piece in front of a painting or some other work instead of a blank wall where the line can be seen without distraction. True that this only possible from one or two viewing angles but it's very important to at least have those ,I think.

Interesting to note, because it's contrast that makes things obvious and stark. things blend into the familiar. It just takes more work to discern edge in a crowded or blending environment, the emptiness a gift to the noisy edge. Demands of attention are only possible with the space to appreciate them, the contrast. Have you thanked the negative space lately???

[Mack]

"Have you thanked the negative space lately???"

Every morning, along with my tea and scones.

[Robson Valley]

Grommet, sir: Don't combine posts and attribute remarks that I didn't make to collectively me or Mack. I say my thing, he says his. I hope that is perfectly clear.

[grommet]

Originally Posted by Robson Valley

Grommet, sir: Don't combine posts and attribute remarks that I didn't make to collectively me or Mack. I say my thing, he says his. I hope that is perfectly clear.

apologies, site buttons don't work, so most of the formatting I do is by hand, and I'm a two finger female typist, lazily responding to a general topic.
When I copied & pasted instead of hitting quote it made a mess of the words, removing all formatting. I took out the gobbledygook for clarity but did not reformat. My apologies again for the created chaos.

[Robson Valley]

Thanks Grommet.
This is bargain basement software, no?
I want to post images of my wood carvings in 3D (piece of cake)
but I can't even make the 80kB lid for 2D

[grommet]

we get around the 80 k limit by uploading a decent sized pic to photobucket or similar photo sharing site. An image link works well, embedding the photo.

[Robson Valley]

Thanks. I'm looking into a Flickr site for family, it would be open to all. I really want to post 3D stuff, far better concepts of what I've made.

Woodcarving Illustrated and Woodworking Forums sites have capacity to take "internet large" without so much as a hiccup.

Oh well. I'm happy that this place exists at all.

[Mack]

Just heard reference to this Picasso quote: "When critics get together, they talk about aesthetics...when artists get together, they talk about turpentine."

[evaldart]

Critics rarely talk about aesthetics...and artists actually DO aesthetics so they neednt talk about them. Yet it is indeed possible to write and talk in a manner where aesthetic travail is being confronted...and it is quite possible that a critic or an artist might have the nerve to do this...or a philosopher or a psychologist or a historian too; but most unlikely.

[GlennT]

Originally Posted by Mack

Just heard reference to this Picasso quote: "When critics get together, they talk about aesthetics...when artists get together, they talk about turpentine."

And when sculptors get together, they talk about beer.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by GlennT

And when sculptors get together, they talk about beer.

great, no academic background to understand this one, lol