HUGE OIL SPILL AGAIN

[Nelson]

There`s much worry here in the woods, the OIL dudes spilled the beans again, so yeah our fellows living in the sea and affected coast line in the gulf of Mexico are in trouble thanks to the irresponsible Oil companies causing a 10 million liters/day petroleum burst into the sea, which hasn`t been put under control yet... Obama is damn mad for the companies actitud playing pin-pong.
Tax the living shit out of them and have them pay the highest fine possible.
All the money won`t pay for the ecological dissater.

[craigktx]

Originally Posted by Nelson

There`s much worry here in the woods, the OIL dudes spilled the beans again, so yeah our fellows living in the sea and affected coast line in the gulf of Mexico are in trouble thanks to the irresponsible Oil companies causing a 10 million liters/day petroleum burst into the sea, which hasn`t been put under control yet... Obama is damn mad for the companies actitud playing pin-pong.
Tax the living shit out of them and have them pay the highest fine possible.
All the money won`t pay for the ecological dissater.

Maybe it will get rid of the critters growing on the bottom of my boat.

[evaldart]

just more "weather". we'll get through it somehow.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by craigktx

Maybe it will get rid of the critters growing on the bottom of my boat.

Yeah Craig,

Keep trying to find the bright side to that blight. sad it`s even funny to some

[craigktx]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Yeah Craig,

Keep trying to find the bright side to that blight. sad it`s even funny to some

Well, there is nothing we can do to stop it so wallow in it and smile.

And how does taxing the shit out of them help?

If you tax them, then they tax us, super high priced fuel would cause the world economy to collapse, which would cause
millions to starve to death.

[raspero]

Yeah! I think everyone should stop driving their cars and start walking or riding a bike—everyone, that is, except me. That's the problem: everyone thinks that way. Uh-Oh! It looks like I'm the problem.

R

[craigktx]

Originally Posted by raspero

Yeah! I think everyone should stop driving their cars and start walking or riding a bike—everyone, that is, except me. That's the problem: everyone thinks that way. Uh-Oh! It looks like I'm the problem.

R

You think E could transport his heavy metal sculptures on a bike?
I like to see him try, it might be interesting.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by raspero

Yeah! I think everyone should stop driving their cars and start walking or riding a bike—everyone, that is, except me. That's the problem: everyone thinks that way. Uh-Oh! It looks like I'm the problem.

R

Global Warming and Climatic Change is a hoax according to some too. maybe this HUGE oil spill is another news blown out of proportion by the greens. Lets`s understand the planet calls for moderation and caring more for our habitat. Those greedy dudes only understand "global business" not global sustainable approaches. And those felt touched, rather make a joke out of these topics or at best pass indifferent on the comfort zone. Hope they shut the darn oil pipe before the hurricane season sets on. Any body from the directly affected area cares to give constructive arguments and give some evidence that the event aint no joke?

[craigktx]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Global Warming and Climatic Change is a hoax according to some too. maybe this HUGE oil spill is another news blown out of proportion by the greens. Lets`s understand the planet calls for moderation and caring more for our habitat. Those greedy dudes only understand "global business" not global sustainable approaches. And those felt touched, rather make a joke out of these topics or at best pass indifferent on the comfort zone. Hope they shut the darn oil pipe before the hurricane season sets on. Any body from the directly affected area cares to give constructive arguments and give some evidence that the event aint no joke?

Well, If you use logic, 10 mill gallons of crude oil in trillions if not goggles of
gallons water is less than a drop in the bucket, it's still a local event.

Some scientist are wishing for a storm to see what effect the oil would have on the storm, see there's always a upside.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by craigktx

Well, If you use logic, 10 mill gallons of crude oil in trillions if not goggles of
gallons water is less than a drop in the bucket, it's still a local event.

Some scientist are wishing for a storm to see what effect the oil would have on the storm, see there's always a upside.

Craig,

You could have a little oil as it floats, screw up the whole surface of an inmense volume of water underneath, so your logic apart from nonsense is also irrational. Your disregard for the damage done to your own country is as inmense as the sea affected. Sorry my friend but I will not engage with you in more nonsense childish talk. Again, simply wanted to share a legitimate concern about your planet, our planet. Fruitless pursuit though to fight greed and disregard for oneself and others. Sure, proclaim the world is better off than a few decades ago...

[craigktx]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Craig,

You could have a little oil as it floats, screw up the whole surface of an inmense volume of water underneath, so your logic apart from nonsense is also irrational. Your disregard for the damage done to your own country is as inmense as the sea affected. Sorry my friend but I will not engage with you in more nonsense childish talk. Again, simply wanted to share a legitimate concern about your planet, our planet. Fruitless pursuit though to fight greed and disregard for oneself and others. Sure, proclaim the world is better off than a few decades ago...

True it floats but once the volatiles evaporate the oil becomes a tar ball, these will end up sinking or washing up on land( we have them here).
Tar balls are far less destructive than the oil.(30% of the oil has evaporated so far)
I just don't get into knee jerk reactions or childish claims that the sky is falling.
Your still barking about greed which takes away from your green position since
Greed will save the planet far quicker than hand holding.
(look up T Bone Pickens and the wind farms all over Texas, not to mention the ones I see everyday)

Don't forget about the little critters that love to eat oil, it's natural so nature has a way to dispose of it.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by craigktx

True it floats but once the volatiles evaporate the oil becomes a tar ball, these will end up sinking or washing up on land( we have them here).
Tar balls are far less destructive than the oil.(30% of the oil has evaporated so far)
I just don't get into knee jerk reactions or childish claims that the sky is falling.
Your still barking about greed which takes away from your green position since
Greed will save the planet far quicker than hand holding.
(look up T Bone Pickens and the wind farms all over Texas, not to mention the ones I see everyday)

Don't forget about the little critters that love to eat oil, it's natural so nature has a way to dispose of it.

Craig,
Your assertions have no logical, ethical nor cientific ground. Weather it`s due to limited or denatured neuron activity. Would like to see some capacity to at least consider other options, nonetheless who could unplug cultural chips? one self! Only hope: reencarnation and another chance to evolve, but don`t worry, we all have issues to overcome...enjoy your tar balls in the mean time.

[craigktx]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Craig,
Your assertions have no logical, ethical nor cientific ground. Weather it`s due to limited or denatured neuron activity. Would like to see some capacity to at least consider other options, nonetheless who could unplug cultural chips? one self! Only hope: reencarnation and another chance to evolve, but don`t worry, we all have issues to overcome...enjoy your tar balls in the mean time.

No solutions just slogans once again.

So, if I don't agree I'm lesser?
Thats rather churchy of ya, do you have your pile of stones ready.

[grommet]

Just idle curiosity, Nelson: How long have you been passionate about the environment?

[jOe~]

Greed will save the planet far quicker than hand holding

True, it theoretically could. How do you structure or manipulate greed so that it doesn't lead to exploitation and poisoning the environment or people, so that it actually does "save the planet" ? Answer that and you will not only be insanely wealthy but go down in history. Economists have defined capitalism as the economic system that best deals with the problem of greed. But then, what have economists accomplished besides justifying their jobs?

[craigktx]

Originally Posted by jOe~

True, it theoretically could. How do you structure or manipulate greed so that it doesn't lead to exploitation and poisoning the environment or people, so that it actually does "save the planet" ? Answer that and you will not only be insanely wealthy but go down in history. Economists have defined capitalism as the economic system that best deals with the problem of greed. But then, what have economists accomplished besides justifying their jobs?

If we ask and buy into planet saving, people friendly products then the economy will be more than happy to remove the cash from our pockets.
(demand and supply)
People will buy what there told to buy, it's all in the marketing, SUVs are a prime exsample, the TV said if you drive small cars you will DIE so they sold us bigger and bigger SUV/Trucks (Hummers) when there was no need for such monsters, good for the ranch but a poor choice for the burbs.
Most of the food they market is based on greed/profit even the veggies and good for ya stuff,(organic) they say it's good for you but I have no way to test such claims or what bios/greed those tester have.
Greed cares about profit not the product and I want real products not feel good ones.(hybrids)

We can't stop greed but we can manipulate it.

[grommet]

We can't stop greed but we can manipulate it.

truth there. without that and the manipulations, people would be happy with what they own & wouldn't be spreading money like butter and accruing debt like dandelions.
And before the conservative forum members chime in, let me say that going out on a limb for a calculated outcome is a good thing. Just cover your giblets.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by grommet

Just idle curiosity, Nelson: How long have you been passionate about the environment?

Grommet,
What`s the relevance of time?
It`s been a process started as I can recall, in my childhood when my to-be-passionate-about-the-environment atitude started as a simply liking all related to nature, which excludes my species to "that level". Our modern culture programs people so either extreme of economy/politics philosophy enssures supporters. It`s a fact that those who thrive excessively on materiality contribute most to destructive practices of the self and others of course, and that includes the environment. Some allege tecnology will get us out, or this system is better than comunism for instance. I NEVER advocated for such utopic, nonsense CRAP either.Childish, close minded folks,
grab on to that to justify their stand. Likewise, others behave seemingly unaffected in their COMFORT zone, with as much disregard for even their own country/community. Is " A Happy World" by Hussley man`s best bet ?

Originally Posted by jOe~

True, it theoretically could. How do you structure or manipulate greed so that it doesn't lead to exploitation and poisoning the environment or people, so that it actually does "save the planet" ? Answer that and you will not only be insanely wealthy but go down in history. Economists have defined capitalism as the economic system that best deals with the problem of greed. But then, what have economists accomplished besides justifying their jobs?

NOTHING !
Cash, cash, me, mine for me, don`t touch me please! It`s pathetic! I could advocate to make all the imaginable money a man could if doing so would at worst, not screw up the environment or others ...
Understand PLEASE, I like comfort too, but sice the planet has limitations, we must limit our selves to moderate levels. Shit no, the sky`s the limit, and what will happen to our being NUMBER ONE trap, and having the ultimate in the market. Subtle traps huh. ?

[jOe~]

We can't stop greed but we can manipulate it.

Who is the "we"???

[craigktx]

Originally Posted by Nelson

NOTHING !
Cash, cash, me, mine for me, don`t touch me please! It`s pathetic! I could advocate to make all the imaginable money a man could if doing so would at worst, not screw up the environment or others ...
Understand PLEASE, I like comfort too, but sice the planet has limitations, we must limit our selves to moderate levels. Shit no, the sky`s the limit, and what will happen to our being NUMBER ONE trap, and having the ultimate in the market. Subtle traps huh. ?

Limit how and who sets the limits?
sounds like a slippery slope.
Drop by Nelson and I will show you how most of us live in the U.S, it's not all diamonds and chocolate.

Originally Posted by jOe~

Who is the "we"???

You,I, Us who else would we be?
Them,Those or They.

You have greed for something just like I and everyone else, tho yours might be in a baggy.

[grommet]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Grommet,
What`s the relevance of time?
It`s been a process started as I can recall, in my childhood when my to-be-passionate-about-the-environment atitude started as a simply liking all related to nature, which excludes my species to "that level". ...own country/community. Is " A Happy World" by Hussley man`s best bet ?

time... it gives me a better idea of the nature of your passion. There's no zealot like a new zealot. Yours is a bit more seasoned, but you're pretty riled, so ... anyway, it gives perspective.

[Nelson]

[quote=craigktx;90628]Limit how and who sets the limits?
How : gaining counciousness, Reprograming the nut, may be the powers to be know something about it...

sounds like a slippery slope.
Yes indeed.

Drop by Nelson and I will show you how most of us live in the U.S, it's not all diamonds and chocolate.
Remember I lived in US 6 years when life was easy and the economy allright. Nothing to look forward besides belongings and services. Great experience and loved ones left behind but a sickening materialistic pursuit as well.
Thank the lord, could be worse. Why don`t you take a trip to some starving countries and still see how better off you are.

So, if I don't agree I'm lesser?
Nope, you`re a human being like anybody else. Some of us are just brainwashed victims. others victims, and there are the ones profiting from both.

Thats rather churchy of ya, do you have your pile of stones ready.
Would never dare sling one at you with the huge pile tar balls you`ve got

Originally Posted by grommet

time... it gives me a better idea of the nature of your passion. There's no zealot like a new zealot. Yours is a bit more seasoned, but you're pretty riled, so ... anyway, it gives perspective.

Zelot – riled: as you wish, worried about environmental disaster in your backyard : sure. Any good adjective for that, maybe global councious, maybe another stupid…
I.m so sorry Grommet if I`m not as polite as you`d like me to. My point is exactly the same as that of Joe, probably with the "perspective" a bit different. Darn funny how we can proclaim values with double standards in the most unethical manner. Weather you like it or not, it`s just an overwhelming FACT matters ain`t working well economicaly and environmentaly speaking. Would it sound better if I said: oh sir, seems we ought to consider practicing otherwise to prove the obsessed people it makes no difference, so to confirm we`re mighty right... let`s proceed. Come on, lets call things by name an accept reality before is too late: man is destroying the planet on his brutal materialistic race to nowhere.

[grommet]

Zelot – riled: as you wish, worried about environmental disaster in your backyard : sure. Any good adjective for that, maybe global councious, maybe another stupid…
I.m so sorry Grommet if I`m not as polite as you`d like me to. My point is exactly the same as that of Joe, probably with the "perspective" a bit different. Darn funny how we can proclaim values with double standards in the most unethical manner. Weather you like it or not, it`s just an overwhelming FACT matters ain`t working well economicaly and environmentaly speaking. Would it sound better if I said: oh sir, seems we ought to consider practicing otherwise to prove the obsessed people it makes no difference, so to confirm we`re mighty right... let`s proceed. Come on, lets call things by name an accept reality before is too late: man is destroying the planet on his brutal materialistic race to nowhere.

It's all in the packaging, friend. I may agree with you but not wish to stand next to you because of the flailing arms. Passion tempered by breadth of knowledge and self control will give you credibility. (As would simple things like using quote tags successfully to make a more readable post.)

[jOe~]

I may agree with you but not wish to stand next to you because of the flailing arms. Passion tempered by breadth of knowledge and self control will give you credibility.

I want to thank Nelson for flailing his arms. He gets it. I agree with him on all counts. I've been an "environmentalist" since the early 70's, probably longer, but the label was not in common use. At that time I was viewed as weird because I'd go backpacking by myself for weeks. I had to mail order for boots and gear because in S. Calif. it wasn't available. In this day of concrete, electronic entertainment, and out of control materialism, it boils down to you get it or you don't. I don't preach to the choir or try to enlighten idiots. If you have to argue the point, its pointless. It just so basic and obvious to me. I commune with nature daily, every day. I love wildness, the outdoors. It gives me a rush every time. Thanks Nelson for speaking up, and for your passion.

It's all in the packaging, friend

Ain't that the sad truth. Like a friend, aged 60 said to me, "I love nature too, but I wouldn't want to live in it or next to it". Isn't tv a grand substitute for life.

Before the planet can be saved, sanity needs to be reclaimed. Not gonna happen. Look at history.

[grommet]

my experience is the flailing arm people that are unseasoned soon find something else to flail about or find me not passionate enough because I won't go door to door with them.
Yeah the mail order boots, that makes it real for sure.
You can't push people, you have to guide them.